COMMENTS Stuart Cooper:
Is this going to be a TV interview?
Francis K. B: It's a documentary in two parts. Part 1
is on tonight. I'm sure that it includes various interviews.
Joe McCadden (manager of
various bands): Very good review Francis. There were a
few on the show whom I would question what they knew about
showbands but maybe the producers thought they needed
'credible' faces visually, whatever that means . Maurice
Cassidy is one I thought would have been good, a very
articulate speaker, managed the Clipper Carlton at their
peak and also managed Tony Kenny and the Sands. I know how
hard he worked to bring them to the top with hit records
Candida and Knock Three Times at a time when most bands who
tried to make it on their own after parting with a big named
lead singer, never reached the heights of their original
band. Examples Big Tom and the Mainliners / The Travelers,
Joe Dolan and the Drifters / Times. Brendan Bowyer, Tom
Dunphy and the Big 8 / New Royal (with many new lead
singers). For a few years in the early 70's, the Sands were
ahead of Dickie's new Miami in drawing power. Maybe Maurice
and others were asked and refused to go on the show?
Francis
(founder: irishshowbands.net): That we might not
ever know Joe. Were you approached? They bought two books
from me but it looks like they only looked at the pictures!
Joe
McCadden: No, I wasn't but with all due respect to Tony
Brown, I thought with your website, your Mineral Bar page,
your book and obvious knowledge of the business, you were
the standout person to represent those who are still
passionate about the Showband era.
Francis:
Ah well, it didn't happen though the producer was fully
aware since he bought the books.
Joe
McCadden: And being a former musician and
manager.....the full package in one. It's hard to understand
how some production companies do their research.
Peter Lydon: A mixed bag of
showband memories it's hard to believe that a lot of the
showband singers are still around to talk about the good
times but can anyone tell me why isn't there more there more
about Ireland showband years it's only a documentary I know
that rte television have archives of the clips that were
showed why don't they do a celebration of the Irish
showbands like one week Dickie rock music with less chat and
more music I think the best of the showbands documentary was
the first one good night god bless and safe home and it
would also be great to give a full half hour of the showband
hand outs photos.
Jim Harte (original
Miami): Have not seen the documentary but now not sure
if I should. Will there be more?
Francis
K. Beirne: Part 2 next week. Watch it and make your own
judgement. I'm just a grumpy old writer.
Declan Kennedy
(Philosophers): Yet another badly researched puff
piece by someone who knows nothing about the subject .. Next
week: Big Tom on the credibility of punk.
Patsy Brichta (Exciters/Paddywagon):
Francis! Spot on, as usual. Thank you for keeping the
record straight.
Michael O'Hara (Crackaways):
What about Ben Dolan ?
Francis K. Beirne: Ignored. Maybe Part 2 but I doubt it.
Michael Dineen: There is
another way of looking at it. If every surviving showband
entertainer was on the programme it would have been great.
Sadly, in another way it was an impossible task.
Francis K. Beirne (author - 'From Tango To
Twist'): Everyone couldn't have been there - just pick
any 10 from the list.
Johnny Campbell (Trend):
Quite a number of the interviewees are no longer with us and
we were given far too much recycled footage. When I see
Niall Stokes and Bob Geldof on a program, I know it’s time
to reach for the zapper.
Ted Carroll (band
manager): I managed one of the first top Irish groups ~
The Caravelles / Greenbeats ~ in 1961/62 /63, later I
managed 'Skid Row', also Thin Lizzy & Mellow Candle [Oh, I
forgot also Rockhouse and The Uptown Band]. From 1959 to
1965, I went to see all of the top showbands, except The
Dixies, who I somehow managed to miss, despite the fact that
they probably made more great records than ANY other
showband! I loved showbands, saw my favourites, The Royal,
Johnny Quigley All Stars, The Clippers and The Capitol at
least 6 times, also Joe Dolan & The Drifters, Kerry Blues,
Freshmen, Blue Aces, Jack Ruane, Miami, Jim Farley, Cadets,
Johnny Flynn, Young Shadows, Donie Collins, Chris Lamb,
Airchords, Hilton, Greenbeats Showband, Swingtime Aces,
Magnificent Seven, Pacific, Donie Collins, Witnesses, Mighty
Avons, Chessmen, Crickets, Black Aces, Blue Clavons (with
Dickie Rock), Kings, Earl Gill, Gene & The Gents, Maurice
Lynch, Melody Aces, Plattermen, Premier Aces, Regal,
Skyrockets (with Henry McCullough), Vanguard Six. There may
have been some others, but in my opinion all of these were
excellent bands, that provided first class entertainment
every time they played. These bands were the main
entertainment for young people, especially in the provinces.
There was little popular music on Radio Eireann, Telefis
Eireann, did not start until 1962 and only people on the
East Coast & the North could get BBC TV & ITV.
Alan James Carr (Heather &
The Pines, Stage 2): I haven’t seen it yet, but from
what I am reading here it seems like it is not worth
watching. Was there any mention of all the showband heads
that emigrated from the era, were any of those people even
approached? I’ll see if I can stream it online somewhere.
Norman Bissett (Silhouettes): Alan James Carr It
is pitiful. Didn’t even finish it. Hopefully someone will
come out with some decent coverage and do justice to the
guys, including me, who performed in that era. IT WAS SHEER
MAGIC!
Paddy Kierans (links to Flying Carlton): Alan
James Carr I turned it off after 10 mins
Mark Lynch: Watching
Ballroom Blitz on RTE Player now. The great Brendan
O'Brien's daughter Aideen is very honest about the alcohol
addiction her father suffered. Not to put a dampener on a
great documentary but something I'm sure a lot of the
stresses and family strains lead to with life on the road in
those days.
Mike
Ahern (Regal and Arrivals): It would take
a book to tell that story Gerard, there was always drink,
before, during, and after the gigs. It was part and parcel
of music. I was like you and didn't partake but being the
odd man out one didn't get to call the shots (pardon the
pun). We were on the road and we did have rules but not
always heeded.
Des Hickey (Airchords, Wheels, Stage 2): Mike
Ahern I was married with a young daughter during my time
with Stage 2 and can recall waiting for hours to get home
while there was a drinking session going on. Eventually I
joined in and when I did a gig on Sunday and didn't get home
until Tuesday I knew that it was time to leave. The band was
popular, and deservedly so. We once did 35 nights in a row.
Imagine 5 weeks away from home at a time before mobile
phones, debit cards or online cash transfers. My poor wife
ended up eating baby food while I had a pocket full of cash.
Luckily my family lived near our flat and helped out. Crazy
times indeed.
John O'Regan (radio presenter): The answer to
your question as to why were members of Horslips Mushroom
and Bob Geldof includes was twofold. Firstly they all played
the ballrooms. Horslips were regulars on the ballroom
circuit and managed by Jim Slye, Mushroom were later managed
by Tom Costello organisation and played ballrooms as did The
Boomtown Rats on the first Falling Asunder Tour in 1976 with
Nightbus and Cheap Thrills. Secondly Aonghus McAnally played
the ballrooms again as part of Starband between 1978 and
1980 with Des Lee, Adrian Mullen, Ray Millar, Stephen
Travers and Dee McMahon and later Liz Allen. He later led
his own band Crackers with Stephen Travers which became The
Crack.
Francis
K. B: Yes. In what year/s? Brendan Bowyer once said that
the era was in decline from 1965.
John O'Regan: Horslips played the ballrooms from 76
onwards also Mushroom would have played them in 73/74 and
Starbands first line up was going from 78 to 79 and the next
line up in 1980.
Francis K. Beirne: I'm well aware of those facts John
O'Regan. The showbands/ballrooms' era started in the late
1950s and faded away in the early to mid-1970s. Hundreds of
musicians and managers from that golden era are still alive
and well - were they approached?
John O'Regan: good question which I dont know depends
on who was researching this show and who they asked for
information and contacts.
Francis
K. Beirne: Well, though they bought two of my books,
they didn't ask me!
Jimmy Sharpe: Geldoff made it
very clear he didn’t like the Showbands
Michael Dineen (collector/historian):
That's old news at this stage. He shouldn't have been there
at all. He was just there to create an argument. He can say
what he likes to though. The showband era did exist. It was
mighty ' and is still being remembered.
Francis
K. Beirne: In a way, I'm happy that Geldof was included.
He made a complete ass of himself with his head in his hands
(despair?) at the end. Adam Clayton pointed the finger at
him.
Jimmy
Sharpe: Geldof doesn’t like LIFE!!! 1d Reply
Reuben Jake: Why was a glam
rock song - Ballroom Blitz - by an English pop group with no
connection to the showbands used? Would have been great to
hear the music the showbands created. There's definitely a
more accurate, more encompassing documentary to be made
about the showband era. Sadly so many from that era are no
longer with us.
Francis K. Beirne: True but there are still many of
the musicians alive and well - they weren't asked.
Francis K. Beirne: Feel free
to agree or disagree with any or all of the points in my
subjective review. As John O'Regan does.
Jimmy Fitzgerald: Terrible
documentary in my opinion, two things, maybe I'm wrong about
the first one, it said Jimmy Swarbrigg was in The Sands when
the girls were trying to pull his clothes off, the second
one I'm not wrong about, it said Michael Coppinger voice
when in fact it was Eddie Sullivan.
Francis K. Beirne: . . . and a still photo of The
Miami onstage to the soundtrack of 'Papa Oom Mow Mow'.
Michael Dineen: The fifth
segment of the article ' is bang on. It is also a shame'
that they didn't travel to make the programme. There are
plenty people who have collected memorabilia' and are still
collecting it. They would have something to offer' such as
why they they started collecting why are they doing what
they do' and what will happen to the material in the future.
I'd love to be approached and talk about what I know'
regarding the showband era. I could tell them plenty. I
don't think the programme was a disaster' in the true sense
of the word. It was badly researched l'll admit' but It
might strike up another interest in the showband era. R.T.E
should stay away from Geldof ' when these programmes are
being made. His rants about that era' are now a joke. He
hasn't a clue ' what real music is. They should also have
debated the showband era' up against today's scene. It would
be great ' to hear someone outlining all the different
aspects of it.
Jim Milner: There were 28
different showbands playing out of Derry at one stage,
anybody remember the great tenor sax player in the
Magnificent Seven? Good to see Hugo Quinn last night on the
trumpet showband royalty, why doesn't somebody the
Norman Bissett: The programme
was utter crap! What a letdown. Why didn’t he stick to
people involved with the band? What an absolute joke!
Leo Nolan: Totally agree
Francis, i think that if someone was watching it that was
knew to Showbands they would come out thinking people were
grasping at straws for entertainment and then good music
came along so the bands didn't last and then punk was all
the rage. Silly!
Leo Nolan: I was very
suprised at "Ballroom Blitz" last night, ne'er a mention of
The Melody Aces which should have really got the spotlight -
no pun intended.
Tony Mulvany: Another episode to go people, don’t get
excited too early. Shows not over.
Francis
K.B: As long as Butch Moore was featured Tony.
Jimmy Sharpe: The Skyrockets from Enniskillen were not
mentioned either they played 6 or 7 nights a week & toured
Britain with Bride Gallagher & also appeared on the London
Palladium, very big shows at the time.
John Sheehan: Yes Brendan
you're right it was Anthony and Paddy. I have the photo in
my collection.
Jet Calders (Hi-Lows): You're right Tony
whoever put it together knew nothing about the show bands.
all these guys talk about are the same bands on every
platform. Biggest hall fillers around the country were Big
Tom, Larry Cunningham, the Melody Aces I could go on but my
finger is getting tired.
John Sheehan Poor show. Not a word about the Maurice
Mulcahy Orchestra - one of the best.
Brendan Cahill: True words John. Did you see the
photo of the Mick Del band ? I'm sure Anthony Wiley,
saxophone (ex Jimmy Wiley Orchestra) was at the start of the
line, Paddy Byrne was there also.
Seamie McIntyre: Who ever put
that programme together hadn't a clue. I think it would take
a month to show all the great bands and singers.
Pat Grimes: One error in the
show where is stated that Jimmy Swarbrigg was with the Sands
Showband.
Jim Milner: Don't forget Leitrim, I know they had the
great Larry Cunningham song but there was also a great band
from there anybody remember Jimmy Shivnan and The Savoy
Swing Seven? LEITRIM was also famous for the the shocking
story of Jimmy Gralton who was I think the first man
deported from the Republic, apparentely his alleged crime
was running a dancehall.
Gerard Neary: What about tweed brush sheils memories
horslips not every body liked boring county music
Leo Nolan: Gerard Neary no need bring down the
Country singers now.
Francis K. B: I don't recall seeing many country
singers - see the minute by minute breakdown below.
Michael O'Hara: What about
Joe Dolan and The Drifters - one of the most travelled and
lasting showbands of all? Also Tommy Drennan and The
Monarchs.
Tony
Finlay: Jet what about Hi Lows Mighty Avon’s Mainliners.
Ann
Kay: What no mention of Margo, Philomena Begley, Muriel
Day, Eileen King? That's just a few that come to mind.
Gus Murphy: Geldof is a nobb.
Paddy McSherry
(Hilton, Majestic): Very disappointed with the
show last nite. every time Rte do a Showband documentary
they neglect to use showband from the North. They only spoke
to Derek Dean, no mention and video footage of Billy Brown
and Freshmen. They could have spoken to Pat Chesters about
Clipper Carlton and Plattermen and also Melody Aces who were
playing 7 nites a week before The Royal came along they were
big crowd pullers when I was growing up . Also what was that
prat Bob Geldof doing slagging off the bands wearing stage
suits, he always looks scruffy when on TV also some
musicians that were interviewed played in folk groups and
rock groups. I think if you want to get correct information
about the showband from 1958 to present you need to talk to
someone who experienced it in a showband someone like Pat
Chesters or Ray Moore. There was a lot of great Showbands
they could have featured in the North like Plattermen,
Johnny Quigley All Stars, Billy Brown and Freshmen, etc
having said that it was nice to feature Dickie Rock, Cadets
and Dixies. Just my opinion.
Gerard Neary: Show bands were
lively and entertaining not like country bands.
Jet Calders: IT was bad as
usual they think all the showbands were from Dublin and
Belfast. those people talking were not really showband.
Tom Bustin: No mention of the
Late Brian Coll or Gene Stewart, Big Tom. So disappointing .
Stuart Cooper: Only the
freshmen covered in this what about the Hilton one of the
finest vocal teams in the whole of Ireland, Ricky Patricia
and Peadar; three top brass men and a powerful rhythm
section? I never heard any other band ripping the place
apart with songs like Love Story (where do I begin), Climb
Every Mountain, Tom Jones and Sinatra numbers and all the
latest chart hits along with a mixture of country/Irish.
They lasted 45 years on the road!
Norman Bissett: Stuart
Cooper, What about Quigley, Glover, The Silhouettes, The
Melody Aces, the Platters, the Polka Dots, the Skyrockets,
Gay McIntyre, Gene and the Gents and lots more? And these
are all Northern bands. What about Farley, Johnny Flynn, the
Pacific, The Victors, the Premier Aces? If only Clayton had
asked around.
Leo Nolan: I believe that
they should have focused on the smaller bands simply because
if they don't it makes the scene look like everyone was
copying Miami or Royal whereas that wasn't the case.
Alec Cowan: Ok, a few errors
maybe, but so what, coming from a showband background it was
great just to be reminded of what it was like, warts and
all.
Francis K. Beirne: No Billy Browne? No Johnny
Quigley? No Dave Glover? No 1964 'Showband Show'? No 'Like
Now'? No 'Go 2 Show'? No Blue Aces? No Pacific? No Chessmen?
No Plattermen? No Tommy Drennan? No Johnny Flynn? No Kerry
Blues? Too many warts for me.
Paddy McSherry: Totally agree Francis real cock-up.
Mike Ahern: The '63 and '64 TV Showband Shows were
recorded over Francis, the tapes were reused to save money.
Michael Dineen: It is great'
that the documentary was done. It might help the memories'
of that era.
Paddy Kierans: Dad's first
band, Flying Carlton, Drogheda.
Brendan Kehoe: I thought that
many of the guests weren't really showband people.
Neil Cassidy: I haven't seen
it yet but it sounds like the €725,000,000 may not have been
enough to improve production standards in RTÉ.
Art Teema (Gary Green/Trampas):
Was Paul Brady a solo Showband at some stage?
Declan Carroll
(Jackhammers/Silkwood): Most of your points registered
with me Francis, particularly members of Horslips, Mushroom,
Stocktons Wing etc. I never recall the likes of the Miami,
Capital, Cadets, Royal etc being mentioned in Hot Press, so
why Niall Stokes? As you've pointed out, there were
definitely more suitable and more informed people who could
have been interviewed. As regards the Clippers, I'll take
your word (I was too young!)
Anthony Murphy: Geldof is a
total TWAT.
Michael Dineen: Geldof is often known as "Gob" Geldof
or "Bob The Gob" because of his fiery hot-tempered outspoken
views on music.
Francis K. Beirne: A friend of mine always calls him
Bob Jeldof - don't know where the soft G comes from but he
believes that we're all wrong.
Michael Dineen: I'm shocked
at Adam Clayton's respect for the showband era. As for
Geldof, his ranting about them is now a joke.
Ted Carroll (manager of
various bands): Fair play to Adam for being involved in
this show and his U2 fame has attracted much attention,
however, he never actually saw a REAL showband play at a
dance. He is too young to have experienced the excitement
created by the great showbands in the late fifties and early
sixties. It was becoming diluted by the mid-sixties.
Francis
K. Beirne: The producer of Ballroom Blitz is quoted as
saying "I know my music". What music would that be, I
wonder?
Stephen Travers (bassist):
The second part of Adam Clayton's excellent ’Ballroom Blitz’
documentary will air on RTÉ TV on Wednesday, December 4th,
at 9:35 p.m. Part 2 explores the decline of Ireland's
showband phenomenon during which more Irish musicians were
in full time employment than ever before or since.
Shay Martin: Slagged Ireland from ivory tower in UK.
Gus Murphy: Hopefully without Geldof the nobb.
Robin Lavery
(Chips): A song for Bob - "Tell me why, I don't like
Geldof; tell me why, I don't like Geldof"
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